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10 Strategies to Keep Portland's Economy Working

Dear Portlander,

We've all heard that another economic slow down is upon us. The national economy is currently confronting slow job growth, a severe mortgage lending crisis and credit crunch, and a widening income gap.

In Portland, we are hopeful that the current slowdown won't become a local recession, but too often in recent history Oregon and the Portland region have been among the worst hit by national recessions. With Oregon's unemployment up, and an increase in foreclosures, we need to make sure we're proactive in preparing for whatever happens in the next six to twelve months.

Historically, city government has done little to either prepare for a slowdown or act to recover from one. It's time we do so.

The purpose of this draft economic response strategy is to identify the actions we can take immediately to help mitigate local impacts of the national economic slowdown on Portlanders and Portland businesses.

This discussion draft lays out immediate and short term strategies designed to foster job creation and retention, economic development, and to strengthen our safety net by:

  • marshalling existing resources and increasing partnerships with the private sector
  • greenlighting requests put forward by the bureaus
  • investing in target initiatives and;
  • increasing certainty wherever possible

For a sense of where these strategies are in the budget process (sorry it's so complicated!) click here.

The total $6 million investment into our economy and community will help individuals and businesses using proven strategies and new partnerships.

As a city and a region, we will clearly need to take additional action to address this economic slowdown. However, these investments will help people stay in their homes, secure family-wage jobs and increase their assets. They will also help small businesses stay open and grow by reducing uncertainty and tax burden, accessing new markets, and securing technical and capital assistance.

I'd like to thank the City, County, State, organized labor, private sector and community leaders who have already added their expertise and advice to this document. I am sending this discussion draft proposal to you for your input before I finalize it and submit it to my colleagues for their consideration as part of the city budget making process now underway.

Yours,

Sam

 

10 Strategies to Keep Portland's Economy Working

Recognizing that the Federal and State governments have important roles to play in reinvigorating our economy (see complete report for legislative priorities), here are some ideas about what the City of Portland can do to mitigate risk and to seize opportunities that will immediately benefit our vulnerable families and businesses - while we continue to move forward with the long-term strategies that will help our region thrive:

In the next 3 months:

  1. Form a Council of Economic Advisors
  2. Protect Basic Services
  3. Boost Support to Vulnerable Families, Expand Rent Assistance and Increase Capacity of Foreclosure Counseling Services
  4. Support small businesses by placing a moratorium on new fees and taxes, Extending City Building Permit Validation, Easing Permitting Process, Boosting Technical Assistance and Access, Expanding Loan Programs and Promoting Local Retail Activity

In the following 6 months:

  1. Expand Job Placement and Workforce Training Programs
  2. Reduce City Taxes on Small Businesses
  3. Increase Exports of Local Products and Services
  4. Maintain Tourism Support
  5. Support Transition to a Sustainable Economy and Green Jobs Strategy
  6. Integrate Job, Housing, Education and Development Programs

For the complete draft document, click here.

After reading the draft document, please help us prioritize these possible actions and add your thoughts, questions and ideas through a short survey here.

 

 

 


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Thanks for being the only

Thanks for being the only commissioner talking about our economy. You'd hope the mayor would have been out front on this already.


Here we go

"Expand Job Placement and Workforce Training Programs"

These programs are usually flops (except for the consultants who run them.) This is like building OHSU a tram and then having them expand in Florida. Have you ever thought of asking business what they need to grow here - I can guarantee you it is not streetcars in front of expensive empty condos, but you can alway find money for that.

Most of your other goals are just that - with no plan, but they do sound nice. A council of economic advisors? Is that the 89 people who told you to raise a sewer tax to pay for fixing streets? Why not just address infrastructure which stops a lot of product distribution jobs from coming here.


A few examples

Steve,

I'm not sure what you mean by consultants running these kinds of programs. Expanding job placement and workforce training programs means adding capacity to organizations such as the following - which help recently laid-off, underemployed, and unemployed folk find work:
http://www.seworks.org/
http://www.centralcityconcern.org/
http://www.pcc.edu/
http://www.workforce-connections.org/
Moreover, when visiting businesses and speaking with business owners, we hear time and again that a skilled workforce is one of their highest priorities.

As to the second point. Please let me know where you feel there are gaps and I can help add clarify. The goal was to create a document under 10 pages - so we have a lot of supporting documents that were not included but we're happy to share if you have further questions.

Best,

Kimberly

(Member of Commissioner Adams' team)


Thank You for Replying

Kim

I guess my comment on the training, is do you have a measurement on what % of people end up in jobs they are trained for? Compare this to the normal college graduate to show effectiveness.

On the other things:

1) Form a Council of Economic Advisors - What is their purpose and what do they want to accomplish besides having meetings? If Mr Adams wants to do something and have this group rubber-stamp it, let us know what the objectives are.

2) Protect Basic Services - OK, he can't fill potholes without a new tax, so how exactly is he going to protect basic services with $5M? He had $30M rev surplus 2 years running and we are putting $5M in a rainy day fund. What happened to the other $55M.

3) Boost Support to Vulnerable Families, Expand Rent Assistance and Increase - OK, more welfare. How does this keep Portland's economy going besides taking tax money and turning it into more welfare?

4) Support small businesses by placing a moratorium on new fees and taxes, Extending City Building Permit Validation, Easing Permitting Process, Boosting Technical Assistance and Access, Expanding Loan Programs and Promoting Local Retail Activity - THis I would love details on. Does this mean permitting will be speeded up? RIght now, BDS' attitude is fix somethgin and come back and see us. If they could give a builder a list of "fix this and then we'll give you a permit" it would be so much more effective use of everyone's time.

Sorry, but Sam (or his staf) seems to have 0 experience in the private sector and I am hard pressed to believe they would understand what it would take to make the economy better, but I am willing to listen.

Again, building more streetcars and theaters and subsidizing SoWa condos doesn't really bring employers, which in the end you will need to do to promote long-term prosperity for working people.


Solar/Hybrid

#5. Support Transition to a Sustainable Economy and Green Jobs Strategy.
Good idea.
Portland should help develop more green industry and infrastructure. The street car and the street car manufacturing plant is a good example.
Hire locals to install city subsidized solar panels on houses.
In California I heard a utility is developing solar power plants on warehouse roofs which they lease! Good for the businesses, utility,the city economy and environment.

Raise more revenue by levying a sales tax on big national retailers in Portland which would also encourage people to shop local business more.
Every dollar spent locally circulates in the local economy three times more than national businesses.
An example is Walmart. 90% of the money spent there is siphoned off to Arkansas and China! While 45% of the money spent at local businesses stays in Portland.
The coming recession/depression will greatly devalue the U$ dollar so maybe Portland could experiment with developing its own official, (but voluntary) local currency which will hold its value better than the dollar and possibly it could be only spent at locally owned businesses.


Got any data

Please show us a link to your high quality data sources for all those claims.

Thanks
JK


Here's an excerpt from an

Here's an excerpt from an excellent article by the American Independent Business Alliance-"The Benefits of Doing Business Locally".

.......It's time to consider the real costs to a community that loses its local business base. Independent local businesses employ a wide array of supporting services. They hire architects, designers, cabinet shops, sign makers and contractors for construction. Opportunities grow for local accountants, insurance brokers, computer consultants, attorneys, advertising agencies and others to help run it. Local retailers and distributors also carry a higher percentage of locally-made goods than the chains, creating more jobs for local producers.

In contrast, a new chain store typically puts in place a clone of other units, eliminates the need for local planning, and uses a minimum of local goods and services. In a company-owned store, the profits are promptly exported to corporate headquarters.

***These factors lead local independent merchants create a multiplier effect in the local economy of 3 - 3 1/2 times that of a chain outlet (the multiplier difference in non-retail businesses is generally lower, but no less important).

****While many communities focus on sales tax revenue, we need to remember that the one-time tax revenue is only one part of the economic picture.

"......http://reclaimdemocracy.org/independent_business/local_business_benefits.html


Excerpt Rooftop solar utility

"California Utility to Install Solar Panels"-NYTimes

By MATTHEW L. WALD
Published: March 27, 2008

An electric company plans to install a huge patchwork of solar cells, 10 times bigger than any previous such installation, on more than 100 large rooftops around Southern California.

The California governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, will take part when Southern California Edison announces the plan on Thursday. The solar panels, covering more than two square miles of rooftop, will be able to produce 250 megawatts of electricity when the sun is shining, enough to power about 160,000 homes......

....offer cheaper electricity or lease payments in exchange for the use of a roof.

....He added that more partnerships between commercial building owners and utilities could “set off a huge wave of renewable energy growth.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/business/27solar.html?ex=1364356800&en=63ee59e9c500c985&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss


what about your "link"

Hey Jim,
Show us a link to back up all of your dubious claims besides your own preposterous website.


What is your problem?

DebunkingPortland.com has most of my arguments - maybe you missed the fact that you can click back to government documents (or credible docs) or calculations for most claims. Why do you want more? Are you having trouble reading? Or having trouble with grade school math?

BTW: One of Portland’s fallacies is to save us from global warming (as China & India increase CO2). Before you give up your job to these countries take a look at: blip.tv/file/791876

Thanks
JK


Ron

Just ignore this Karlock guy. He's a disgusting Big Oil/Tobacco advocate/lobbyist. In his/their fantasy world nicotine is not addictive, Global warming is a hoax and the world is flat.


Wilber is disgusting fool

How dare you say that I am working for big oil.

I am not.

Webmaster, I demand that you remove this liable immediately.

Thanks
JK


I think you mean "libel"

I think you mean "libel" there, sport.


Oh come on JK. How many

Oh come on JK. How many times are you going to put on this fake "shock". It is well known that you work for one of the Cato Institute branch think tanks and as everyone knows they were founded and funded by Big Oil.

"Aside from its own advocacy efforts, the Cato Institute has become a substantial funder of other "like-minded" think tanks around the U.S"
"The Cato Institute appears on several Philip Morris lists of "national allies," including a 1999 "Federal Government Affairs Tobacco Allies Notebook," and in a less-specific list of "National Allies" dated 2000. [34][35]"

"In 2006 Cato raised approximately $612,000 from the following 26 corporate supporters were:"
Altria (the report identifies Altria Corporate Services as the contributor)
American Petroleum Institute
Amerisure Companies
Amgen
Chicago Mercantile Exchange
Comcast Corporation
Consumer Electronic Association
Ebay Inc
ExxonMobil
FedEx Corporation
Freedom Communications
General Motors
Honda North America

"The Cato Institute has been supported by:"
Castle Rock Foundation (Formerly Coors Foundation)
Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation
Earhart Foundation
JM Foundation
John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
Scaife Foundations (Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)

In its 2006 annual report, Cato listed that it had received funding from 72 foundations during the year, amounting to $3,113,000

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cato_Institute


I've got an idea

Let's create a private Taliban-like group of vigilantes to enforce a new bike tax on freeloading pedal pushers. They could keep the money they collect and it would provide these probably unemployable zealots with a job.


ok

I'm guessing this is probably Jim or his mom... who else could be a "Karlock fan"? As a gainfully employed, tax paying, voting, community involved, and yes, cyclist, let me suggest the "Taliban-like" right wing in this country is perfect for the community function you suggest. I'm sure they are well armed and possess the correct convictions that you espouse, so why don't you get busy? Are you a leader or just a Karlock fan? How are your community organizing skills or do they just consist of posting pointless comments on the blogs of folks who are actually attempting to address real problems? Yeah, I though as much.


Let's build some mre Aztec

Let's build some mre Aztec Villages around town. There has got to be somebody that wants to work for a buck fifty an hour.


It's a joke, Ron

It's called sarcasm.


Step 1. Diversify

Step 1. Diversify Portland's economy, including creating real job opportunities for the blue collar workforce. Use Portland's base of developable, shovel ready land in Rivergate and other industrial areas to promote job growth.

Step 2. Work with Portland's existing businesses to show that Portland values its current employers (not just "small business" - ALL business.) Do what it takes to keep these businesses growing.

Step 3. Portland must have a "Buy Portland First" policy. PERIOD. It absolutely SICKENS me that Portland goes out and buys trucks made in who-knows-where when Portland has a first-class truck manufacturing plant right here on Swan Island. It's called Freightliner. I would rather spend $20,000 more on a truck than the low-ball bid if I knew that the $20,000 was going to pay Portland residents rather than Tacoma residents, or somewhere in North Carolina residents, or somewhere in Mexico residents.

Step 4. Portland needs to work with existing businesses to promote "green", not go out and seek venture capital start-ups. Freightliner has a lot of green technology. Why isn't Portland bringing that business (both design and manufacturing) here to Portland? While we're going crazy over the prospect of Streetcar manufacturing in Portland (never mind it's actually in Clackamas!) Freightliner has a subsidiary that builds hybrid diesel/electric and hydrogen-cell busses. Why isn't that being done right here in Portland? Freightliner builds hybrid utility trucks - does the City of Portland own them?

Step 5. Stop this "migrant work center" B.S. If Portland is serious about creating jobs for Portlanders, then it needs to make that priority ONE. Portland ought to start a job center for Portland residents only. (There's nothing wrong with that, numerous government agencies require you to show proof of residency to gain services. Try getting a Chemeketa Community College (Salem) library card if you're a Portland resident.)

Step 6. Stop studying this idea to death. Things can happen if we simply make them happen. I don't want to waste my taxdollars on studies and consultants so they can sit around at coffee meetings at City Hall (with free Starbucks coffee and Krispy Kreme donuts, of course, paid for by the City of Portland) to discuss last night's sporting scores - and, oh, by the way, how to stimulate the economy.


Freightliner is going, going

Freightliner is going, going and gone. The City of Portland chased them away.


I just read that

I just read that Freightliner is laying off 1500 at their North Carolina plant.

The story also notes that "Freightliner is one of Portland's largest employers, with roughly 3,170 workers at its Swan Island headquarters."


Buy local?

Would the conservatives that frequent this blog support paying extra (with your tax dollars) for something made locally? I understand the theory behind it (although the devil is in the details), would you pay for, or trust, a public employee to calculate the true net benefit to the State, City, and/or Metro area for each and every purchase? Buying low bid is easier to administer and usually cheaper (if the product meets minimum specs for durability and maintainability).


Daimler Trucks, formerly

Daimler Trucks, formerly Freightliner, has 1000 engineers designing the next generation of heavy duty trucks on Swan Island. Total employment DT employment in Portland, including the Western Star truck plant and Montgomery Park offices, is about 3,500. 10% or so of these are being relocated to Charlotte where most of DT's manufacturing is located. Most suppliers and customers for their products are on the other side of the Mississippi. Why would they stay in Portland? But so far they are.
Portland is a long way from most major markets and population centers and has no research university, but our quality of life attracts a lot of talent.
Talent and innovation drives the economy, including the manufacturing sector
Unfortunately, the last 15 years have seen steady dis-investment in education, pre-K thru post-Doc. The chickens may be coming home to roost.
And regarding the Tram...helping to make possible the growth of OHSU, the city's largest employer and only research institution...was probably one of the best economic development investments we have made in a long time.


Successful?

"was probably one of the best economic development investments we have made in a long time."

You must be kidding! It was so successful OHSU decided to expand the bio-tech biz in Florida, cut employement in Oregon and now we have a new building at the base of the tram that pays $0 property taxes.

It was bad enought as a $75M parking lot shuttle, but you do have an interesting definition of successful.


Not too fast Steve, over the

Not too fast Steve, over the past two year and in the upcoming two there is the Meriwether Towers I and II, John Ross, Atwater, 3720, Alexan, Simpson Housing block 46, and two new towers recently presented by Prometheus, to name a few projects going up that will pay property tax. Plus affordable vet housing being built on block 49 and the recently began construction, 325' Mirabella Tower that I'm not sure if it does pay property taxes or not.

Nobody I think ever though the OHSU blocks would be providing property tax. OHSU does have a $40 million donation to start work on a second building in the South Waterfront. Right now they are rightfully pausing as they have just added several buildings in the last few years and recently changed university presidents.

I think this is a pretty strong start for a district rising from brownfields.


What about the rest of town?

"I think this is a pretty strong start for a district rising from brownfields."

Perhaps, but we still have a ton of taxpyare money from other areas to pour into the district, like $100M to fix up the river side area and probably close to $200M to fix the I-5 access issues that have not even been addressed yet.

So now we are at prob $400M of taxpayer funded improvements (if I assume 5000 living units there = $80K worth of subsidies per unit.)

I never said it wasn't nice, just tell me how many other neighborhoods get this kind of largesse. Meanwhile, the Sellwood bridge is collapsing along with the sewer infrastructure and Mr Adams says he needs $400M to fix potholes.

I guess we can pick ugly parts of town to pour a ton of money into, but if we can't maintain the parts of town people live in (like everything outside of downtown) isn't this a warped sense of priorities?

If the Tram was built to appease OHSU then why the job growth in Florida and job cuts here?


I don't know Steve, their

I don't know Steve, their was quiet a few media articles and statements from OHSU on why this Florida arrangements works. Burns me a little too.

Your arguments are a moving target. You indicated that the OHSU building pays zero in property tax dollars and I pointed out that you are correct, but there are several towers that are paying and will be paying a large sum of property taxes.

Many of the improvements you are mentioning are requests the Corbett-Lair neighborhoods have been begging for many years. Cleaning up the Ross Island I-5 mess, building a pedestrian bridge connecting the neighborhood with the Willamette. Other improvements like the Willamette riverfront restoration should arguable be enhanced to clean up our riverbanks throughout ALL of Portland. Benefiting the regional population as well as our poor suffering Salmon.

In any case, you seemed to throw our the property tax argument like nobody is paying for anything down there, and I wanted to clarify there were people paying some of the bills. By the way, 'cause I know you love this kind of information, how many developers down there have been granted property tax waivers?


"In any case, you seemed to

"In any case, you seemed to throw our the property tax argument like nobody is paying for anything down there, and I wanted to clarify there were people paying some of the bills."

Realize that most of this is TIF financing. Sow when inflation starts hitting schools and other things like road repair that any increase in value in all of those condos goes first to paying back the bond - not schools or roads or sewers or bridges. So we mortgage away our children's futures.

I think Mr Adams sees things as what type of monthly payment it is and not what it actually costs. So, bingo, the bright new shiny projects get built because they are exciting, tehn we have no money to maintain them, then everyone else in town pays and the potholes deepen. For example SDCs from all over town were diverted to the Pearl District for a long time instead of building parks and sidewalks in the neighborhoods where they originated.

In sum, my argument is that Mr Adams lets the rest of town go to heck, while he likes to build new things.

It would be like a family in house with holes in the floor and poor working toilets, however, the father insists on a new min-van that gets used 5% of the time and a new water feature in the backyard with no cost limits.


Yes, Sam is clueless and

Yes, Sam is clueless and everything shiny in this town should be credited to him, and years of disinvestment in infrastructure is also his fault. Never mind urban renewal in Portland began before Mr. Adams was born. Never mind that urban renewal kept our downtown vibrant while many went bust. Brought us MAX, redeveloped the Pearl, took away the waterfront highway, increased shovel ready industrial land, allowed lower income people to move into the core, close by where they work, granted hundred of thousands in small business storefront improvements...etc.etc. If Sam brought us all that, then he has a pretty strong platform for mayor.

Unfortunately for him, and fortunately for the rest of us, during the 20th century Portland has had a series of leaders with vision that have brought Portland into the livable city we have today.


I am talking about sewers and roads

"Yes, Sam is clueless and everything shiny in this town should be credited to him, and years of disinvestment in infrastructure is also his fault."

OK, then when Mr Admas runs for city council and claims to be the consummate insider he should drop that and ignore the 12 yrs as Vera's chief of staff and 4 years as city commissioner also.

What about the rest of town that doesn't use MAX to go downtown? WHy should they suffer with crumbling sewers and potholes when we can build all sorts of nice things downtown?

We have some real infrastructure problems that have festered for a long time and Mr Adams had 16 years to come up with a solution besides raising taxes. However, for all the other projects we seem to have no problem financing these with current revenues.

Is he solely responsible, no, there are others. However, I am waiting for a new approach to supply basic services like working sewers and toad repairs.

If he wants to take credit for the shiny things, then accept what they cost taxpayers in terms of lost opportunity also.


Yes Steve, Taxpayers like

Yes Steve,

Taxpayers like me! I live in Parkrose and I do not have a sidewalk in front of my place, nor sidewalks on any adjacent street either. I'm not sure of the state of my sewers, however since my pad is over 60 years old, I don't expect they are in A-one condition. I also don't have a fancy street car to ride to my employers location downtown. I take either one of three bus routes in walking distance, or the wonderful MAX red-line, which I can walk to.

As well, as chief of staff to Mayor Katz, I believe he was charged with moving forward with her visions. As commissioner for only four years, I have been extremely pleased with his ideas for all of Portland.


"I live in Parkrose and I do

"I live in Parkrose and I do not have a sidewalk in front of my place, nor sidewalks on any adjacent street either. I'm not sure of the state of my sewers, however since my pad is over 60 years old, I don't expect they are in A-one condition. I also don't have a fancy street car to ride to my employers location downtown. I take either one of three bus routes in walking distance, or the wonderful MAX red-line, which I can walk to."

Than I hope you can see the foolishness of his idea to pur $80K per unit of subsidies in one small area of town while your negihborhood suffers. Again, why should someone like you (and me) do without so Sam can build more condos (like we don't have enough)?

This is the kind of reasoning the Bourbons used to tax surrounding farmers to death so they could build Versailles - A very pretty place amidst squalor.


^Huh? Actually, nevermind...

^Huh? Actually, nevermind...


I would not write off OHSU

I would not write off OHSU just yet.
It is the city's largest employer. Yes? No?
It is the region's only research institution. Yes? No?
Its expansion to the River has already attracted more private investment than anywhere except the Pearl district.
what are your measures? For less than $10 million in public funds, we got a hell of a deal with the Tram.


Ahem

"I would not write off OHSU just yet."
Neither would I since they are growing their biotech biz in Florida. When I checked last there was no way to take the Tram to Florida.

"It is the city's largest employer. Yes? No?
It is the region's only research institution. Yes? No?"
If you say so, but they were both of these before the Tram / parking lot shuttle. We got one building built by the Tram and it pays no property tax.


You throw the OHSU pays no

You throw the OHSU pays no property tax knowledge out there like 1-nobody knew that OHSU doesn't pay property tax and 2-Portlanders expected OHSU to pay property taxes on any new properties they develop.

In two years, well not even two years since the tram was built, you are trying to judge the success of the district? It took 20 years from the first visions of the Pearl to the first condo project. In ten years since, my oh my, what a fantastic Portland neighborhood!


"trying to judge the success

"trying to judge the success of the district?"

Not really, I am looking at the success of the 99% of town that is not the Pearl. He won't even take the $30M per year of revenue upside to fix streets unless it is downtown.


A slight correction

"You throw the OHSU pays no property tax knowledge out there"

Slight correction - That building that the TRAM runs to at the bottom is owned by a not-for-profit group of doctors, not OHSU.

Again, if we have a limited amount of dollars, what do we spend them on:
1) Very nice surroundings and streetcars to run past empty condos for a few downtowners?
2) Basic services (streets, sidewalks, affordable and working sewers) for the 99% that don't live downtown?

Mr Adams has really lost all prespective of who he represents.


A slight correction

"You throw the OHSU pays no property tax knowledge out there"

Slight correction - That building that the TRAM runs to at the bottom is owned by a not-for-profit group of doctors, not OHSU.

Again, if we have a limited amount of dollars, what do we spend them on:
1) Very nice surroundings and streetcars to run past empty condos for a few downtowners?
2) Basic services (streets, sidewalks, affordable and working sewers) for the 99% that don't live downtown?

Mr Adams has really lost all perspective of who he represents.


You're right, that is a

You're right, that is a slight correction.

So, how much in property tax relief did Meriwether, John Ross, Atwater, 3720, and the Alexan receive?


You miss the point

"property tax relief did Meriwether, John Ross, Atwater, 3720, and the Alexan receive"

You're missing the point. What I am addressing are the improvements that taxpayers finance for the district:
- $75M Tram
- $100M waterfront walk
- $250M to fix the I-5 access
- $50M various projects

Total of about $450M. At 5000 living units (I am being generous) this is about $90K/unit of site improvements paid for by the rest of Portland thru bonds.

When we need $400M to fix streets and $1.2B to fix sewers, why are we taking on $450M of additional debt just for one small downtown neighborhood?


Cato?

You would think those Cato guys would hire smarter to get their money's worth. JK doesn't seem to know the difference between "libel" and "liable" and "capitol" and "capital".


Sam is looking more

Sam is looking more visionary everyday! Oil up to $114 a barrel and wholesale gas prices up 6 cents today - 4/15/08! Diesel (for buses) even higher. Electric MAX and street cars may be the only thing anybody can afford to get around soon. The ultimate best thing for the economy. Vote Sam!


"Electric MAX and street

"Electric MAX and street cars may be the only thing anybody can afford to get around soon. The ultimate best thing for the economy"

And this electricity is going to come from.......?

I guess Portland had better prepare itself for a massive coal-fired power plant. I think Ross Island is a good place for it. Or maybe the "Burnside Bridgehead". Or the Memorial Coliseum.

If not coal, then natural gas? Or CNG? Or nuclear?

Or is Portland simply going to expend dollars more and more towards out-of-state power plants?

By the way, there are electric busses too. Seattle (which has its own muncipal power company, and owns its own power plants, and over 90% of its power generation is clean hydropower) has an extensive electric trolleybus system.


economy

Tell us Sam why you didn't think the economy was worth talking about when we were in good times. You are part of the slow down by wanting to TAX TAX TAX and then put new FEES FEES FEES on things. You make Portland a very business unfriendly. I do not trust that you will put a hold on taxes. If you were, then why do you want to put a ridiculous fee on cars ???


Because it makes sense

Jon-
The fee would be based on the trips made in order to pay for the transportation system. A "user pays" concept. Can you do more than call names? Gas tax doesn't work over the long term as cars get more efficient. People say property taxes are too high. What is your solution that is not "ridiculous"? Can you make your point without ALL CAPS?


"What is your solution that

"What is your solution that is not "ridiculous"?"

Start by not pouring $400M into one small neighborhood in SoWa. Why can't you see that Mr Adams can always find money for things like Trams, Civic Stadium rebuilds and street cars all without raising taxes? Yet when it comes to basic services like potholes or sewers we need to raise taxes or fees?

TIFs merely take any increase in property value and divert it from schools and police to pay bonds for SoWa improvements.


Color of Money

Steve-

You guys never seem to understand that not all of that money (fed $, TIF $, etc.) is fungible for any use. Amyway, I was challrnging Jon not to be so vague as most wingnuts are.


Fungible?

"You guys never seem to understand that not all of that money (fed $, TIF $, etc.) is fungible for any use."

I beleive when Mr Adams visits Mr Bluemnhauer that if money gets earmarked it always earmarked for streetcars and similar projects. However, when the sewers are inadequate and potholes abound, we nevere seem to get dedicated money for that.

As far as TIFs, that is illusory funding. It is based on taking the increaased proeprty value and using it to pay back bonds and NOT schools or roads or police. With SoWa getting up to $90K worth of subsidies per unit, it is starting to get ridiculous unless your neighborhood is getting $90K worth of improvements per house.


Sorry for the typos

I was distracted


Fungible

At least say "Earl" if you can't spell "Blumenauer"

Earmarks: If the money comes from a program at the Federal Transit Admin., you have to use it on transit. I don't think there is a federal department that appropriates money for potholes.

TIFs: The nearly theological debate is whether the growth would have occurred without the investment. Eventually (usually too long), the tax money flows to the General Fund and schools. Yes, everyone else makes up the revenue to the GF or the schools while the bonds are paid off. But if the growth hadn't occurred, the money wouldn't be there (sort of like paying off your student loans with your higher-income job you got as a result of going to college).


Sorry

I apologize for mis-spelling Mr Blumenauer's name.

"Eventually (usually too long), the tax money flows to the General Fund and schools."

Will it ever in SoWa? I think if we are incurring something liek $90K/unit in improvements, how many years of increases in prop taxes will it take to re-pay this.

If this TIF works so well, then do it throughout town and fix some potholes for a change - someplace besides downtown. However, we've decided $500K condos in made-up negihborhoods deserve so much more than neighborhoods in existence that have been paying taxes forever.


Missing the point

Without the TIF these neighborhoods wouldn't exist. There are TIFs elsewhere. Gateway & Lents I think. If the other neighborhoods could support the growth necessary for the TIF to work, they would have them. On another page someone pointed out to you that potholes get repaired in this city within 24 hours, call them in if you are so concerned. Unpaved streets are different than potholes. These are usually paved at the tiome of development or through an LID; which are you talking about?

I don't know how long it will take to repay SoWa debt, but I suspect these pricey units will pay a lot of taxes each year, now and then when the bonds are paid.


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