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The Success of Super-Convenience: Downtown Montréal’s Transit Experience

On March 19th, Sam and I embarked on a 3-day trip to Montréal, invited to discuss Portland's efforts to become a sustainable city. There we met with transportation and sustainability directors, and gave a speech delineating Portland's sustainability efforts and challenges to date. Below are my thoughts on the trip...

Any time Sam’s team visits another city, we hunt for ideas to import back home. For example, maybe you saw the Oregonian’s story some time ago on the bike rental concept.

Sam and I were in Montréal at the invitation of the Global City conference to report on Portland’s efforts to mature into a sustainable city. The morning before Sam’s speech we set out to explore Montréal’s famous “underground city,” a subterranean complex of retail stores and pedestrian corridors that connects office, hotels, schools, housing, and subway. The system is remarkably vast connecting some 30% of downtown Montréal.

The system is incredibly convenient. In a city known for long, often brutal winters the development pattern makes sense. Here in Portland we enjoy a more temperate climate and massive investment in an “underground city” probably would not be smart.

So forget the underground part.

The take-home lesson for us was how easy it was to ride the subway in Montréal. Like every successful subway system around the world, the stations are clean, comfortable, and easy to navigate. Where Montréal stands out from other cities I know is its convergence of shopping, workplace, and housing environments, all interconnected by rail and pleasant pedestrian corridors. Whether you need a bag of groceries for tonight’s dinner, a $398 pair of Italian shoes, or anything in between, it is all available within a matter of feet (or should I say meters?) from your subway stop.

What does it all mean for ridership? We asked Joel Gautier, Montréal’s transportation director, when we met with him and his chief planner. Mr. Gautier was embarrassed to admit the percentage of all downtown trips made with transit (aka the transit mode split) was “just 25%” but that the underground city played a huge role in getting it where it was. He was also quick to note they expected the mode split to jump with a new subway extension coming online in the next month, and that their investment in complementing central city bike and pedestrian facilities was poor to date, but ramping up.

Commissioner Sam Adams, Montréal NewspaperBut wait a minute; one of the chief complaints about our central city MAX is that it is too slow because it makes too many stops. And it makes those stops because TriMet and the City try put stops right next to each key destination, like the malls, the Convention Center, the Square, MAX’s nexus with streetcar,
PGE
Park, and so on. Haven’t we applied Montréal’s lesson to Portland already, and maybe even overdone it?

Sam and I scratched our heads on this. No question Portland has put stops right next to key destinations, but why does Montréal’s system seem so much more convenient? We concluded it really is about a matter of feet. In Portland, some of our daily and discretionary purchases can be made somewhat close a MAX stop. In Montréal nearly all of those purchases can be made literally within a few feet of the subway stop. In other words, we have done okay, but Montréal shows it can be done better. Montréal’s riders prove it everyday.

Portland’s transportation planners get this. When we installed our original transit mall it was assumed the concentration of transit would ensure a critical mass of people, and our presence would sustain a lively retail corridor. In other words, provide for transit and the retail will take care of itself. While the original transit mall was a success by most measures, a quick survey of central city retail rents and vacancies shows transit mall retail has not kept pace. Upon the decision to add MAX to the transit mall, much planning has been focused on how to enliven and sustain the retail corridor. We believe the next 30 years will bring us a much more actively managed—and successful—retail corridor on the transit mall. Thank you, Montréal, for confirming the merits of our planning for our transit mall’s next era.

The situation changes, however, outside the central city. Our quick trip to Montral did not allow us to visit subway stations outside the central city so we cannot make comparisons. Nevertheless, the lesson of convenience, or maybe we should call it super-convenience, still applies. After all, our retail needs do not change whether we are in or out of the central city.

I thought about my regular morning MAX commute to city hall from North Interstate and Lombard, the busiest transit stop in our region. Three days a week my 12 month-old daughter, her stroller, and I jockey for coverage under the stop’s shelter among our fellow commuters. Almost everybody makes space for my daughter; Portlanders are cool like that. Then I check the transit ticker to see how long our wait will be (a superb and essential addition to transit stops; thanks, TriMet).

I stare across the sea of blacktop in front of Fred Meyer and see the familiar Starbucks logo. (Like many Portlanders, I prefer to patronize locally-owned shops, but I am not dogmatic about it.) I wonder how many of my fellow MAX riders are having the same thought, “Coffee sounds good right about now. But it will take me 20 minutes to navigate the maze of safety railings, wait for traffic lights, avoid cars walking through the parking lot, get upstairs to get that cup of coffee and retrace my steps back. I do not have time.”

I should have planned my coffee run into my day, right? Call TriMet for the schedule, get my daughter ready, ensure I have all the time I need, get my day dialed down to the minute.

Whatever.

All I know is most people are like me. If coffee was two minutes from my MAX stop instead of 20 the coffee shop would have a little bit more money in its till a little more frequently, and most of us would have a little bit less in our pockets. We would all be smiling, and based on the central city Montréal model, riding the train more frequently. Super-convenience matters.

Now think about development up and down the MAX yellow line on the Interstate Corridor. The sighting of the stops makes sense… Expo Center, downtown Kenton, Fred Meyer, New Seasons, Kaiser Permanente, Rose Garden, etc. But now ask yourself about whether we have developed each of these destinations to be more conveniently accessible by car or by transit.

The answer is obvious: car. And each of these destinations will tell you why: most of their patrons arrive by car. Even New Seasons, one of Portland’s most conscientious corporate partners, fought off the city’s efforts to orientate the store closer to the MAX stop (and put housing above). On the Interstate corridor we have made a multi-hundred million dollar transit investment to provide a transportation option better than the car. But let’s face it: it is not better if it is not as convenient as we need it to be.

In auto-centric America, even in Portland, super-convenient transit is a work in progress. But take note of central city Montréal because they can teach us lessons we can learn from.

(One year ago, Sam secured $250,000 to study station area development more thoroughly. A first phase focused primarily on the pending MAX green line is underway from David Evans & Associates with more to come.)



We need a Wal-Mart, Target & WinCo downtown

All accessible via the MAX. I am tired of having to drive out to 82nd for Wal-Mart, Winco and Jantzen Beach for Target. If I could have a Wal-Mart or Winco close by then I wouldn't have to pay sky high prices at Safeway, New Seasons and Whole Foods.


I don't think Wal-Mart is

I don't think Wal-Mart is the right choice for Portland, because of the company's poor corporate ethics, crippling effect on local businesses, and the tax burden caused by poor employee treatment.

Winco, however, as an employee-owned company, is pretty much the best of the big boxes, and would be great to see in that area. I like to shop there to know that my money is going straight to upkeep and to the person at the register, not to some bigwigs out in the Midwest.


Yeah Brian

WalMart with their $4.00 prescription drugs is bad for folks, let's keep them out. Look, you don't like WalMart then don't shop there. Recently a porn shop in Gresham closed, it didn't close because it made big money and lots of people went there - it closed because it didn't make money. What I'm trying to point out is that if you don't like a place then just don't shop there. WalMart failed in Germany because the people there didn't like the way WalMart sold things - BUT - they didn't NOT allow WalMart to build and exist. This heavy hand of not allowing a business to build and exist because YOU don't like it (or the city officials don't like it) isn't fair. It takes away our freedom of choice as citizens and consumers. No one is going to force you to shop there but not allowing one to be built does force me to not have the option/choice of shopping there. Quit drinking the kool-aid and let people live their lives with as little government involvement as possible. Give us the choices, we can and will chose - the government is NOT smarter than we are.


It's not a factor of choice

It's not a factor of choice when a company's existence in an area is going to place an added tax burden, bring additional crime, practice illegal disposal of dangerous chemicals, utilize employment discrimination, and oppose legislation to require labeling products with the country of origin.

These are burdens that we would have to carry, whether we shop there or not, if Wal-Mart were to come to Portland. There is documented evidence of all of these poor corporate ethics, and many more, and I don't want these things tainting my neighborhood.

http://walmartwatch.com/issues/
for more information.


Nice Try

Again I say Brian, if you and all the other liberals in this town don't like the company; if not enough people shop there guess what will happen? Do you think that the corporation will suck money out of the rest of the stores to prop up the one (excuse me, extra one) that finally got built in Portland. If you don't like a store then don't shop there. Don't take away my choice or the choice of thousands of other customers.

I've gone to your website, it's the next thing to slander, akin to what moveon.org does to politicians. Again, who made you king with the power to command who can and who can't run a legitimate business in Portland? Were you one of the ones who ran the furrier out of town? Gee, you could try that tactic on Wal-Mart too if it got built.

I'll make you a deal, tell me where you live and we WON'T built Wal-Mart in your neighborhood. However, there are tens of thousands of us who WOULD like to shop there. We live on a budget, we need the lower prices. There are people with limited skills who would like to work at a place that pays more than minimum wage (unlike many mom & pop stores that ONLY pay minimum wage). Many people would like to get into a job that can and will advance you. However, thanks to people like Sam Adams and people like you those opportunities will never become available. Thanks Brian. Thanks a lot.


Advancement for men. White

Advancement for men. White men.

The fact of the matter is, Wal-Mart has a history of poor corporate ethics. That's not my website, it's a site of actual researchers, and contains a number of self-incriminating memos and reports from Wal-Mart execs and employees. They do much of the smear work themeselves.

And I won't shop there. But my point remains that I don't want it there for the reasons I listed above. Because even if I don't shop there, I will still be footing the bill to pay for the lack of health care, increased crime, and drastically increased vehicle traffic.

And by the way, I just moved to St. Johns from the Lloyd district. And I would like to see both of those areas Wal-Mart free.


OK< so tell me the advantage

OK< so tell me the advantage of the alternative small shopkeepers. The small shopkeeper will still:
- Probably not give health benefits
- Expect unpaid overtime since they have even less oversight than WalMart
- Charge more
- Offer less chance for advancement than WalMart

I'd love it if everyone had government jobs with great pay, security and benefits. Government is oblivious to the outside world, however.

We scream for density in housing, yet WalMart comes and offers one-stop highly dense shopping and all of a sudden they are the latest cause celebre for Mr Adams and his clique to target.


Downtown the shopping

Downtown the shopping experience is rather bleak. But if you happen to live in the NE, you might try Big City Produce (on Albina south of Killingsworth) or Beaumont Market (NE 41st and Fremont.) They have low prices, high quality foods, and quick and friendly checkout/service. I think they are much better than the run-of-the-mill large grocers. It would be nice to see similar shops downtown.


How about a Target then?

If Wal-Mart isn't the right choice then why can't we at least have a Target either downtown or in the Lloyd Center area? Did you happen to watch Penn and Teller's B.S. about Wal-Mart? It was pretty good! A lot of the reasons people oppose Wal-Mart are totally unfounded. Many of the small "mom and pop" stores sell the same Chinese made crap that you find in Wal-Marts .... just more expensive. Mom and Pop stores often pay LESS and don't offer as good of medical benefits to their employees either as Wal-Mart.


Lessons learned....

Mr. Miller: Seems to be a lot of trips taken by your office. How much does a trip to Montreal cost and who payed for it? I'm all for a global view, but you have not provided anything new or meaningful in terms of value for the taxpayers of our city. Sacramento is a city that more resembles Portland, you could have saved ?? the international airfare. Thanks, Kyle.


???

I assume this was another taxpayer paid junket...


I don't think it is our

I don't think it is our (city government and it's constituents) right to pick one business over another (Hamm's remarks about WalMart). If the city continues this practice and believes it is right, then let us vote on this major policy decision. I'm beginning to hope some business begins a legal action on this "unfair trade practice".


OK, Mr Adams spent a week in

OK, Mr Adams spent a week in France and learned we should rent bikes you spent part of a week in Montreal and learned we need to move MAX stops.

How exactly does this help fill potholes and lower utility rates in town? I'd like to think there is some other priority in town besides mass transit (which I do not hate.) In addition, if you could attend via video-conference you could lessen your carbon footprint you are leaving and save the taxpayers money.


They are being proactive:

They are being proactive: People on bikes and MAX lines are not competing for as much energy and not creating pot holes.


It is incredible that you

It is incredible that you state "the system is incredibly convenient", then later admit that you and Sam didn't "visit subway stations outside the central city". Recently I experienced a large share of Montreal's system. The "convenience" factor that you elaborate is somewhat justified in some of the downtown stops, but the convenience factor is no more than what we find here in Portland now. When you step off the transit mall you actually have just a many retail choices, probably more than Montreal's.

But if you had experienced any of the Montreals outlying stops you would find the retail mix and spacing not unlike Portland's. At the Expo stop (at the former Worlds Fair complex where the Expo's use to play) the distance to find a public toilet (in a business), and a eatery was a long walk of over ten blocks.

Why not let the market bring the retail/businesses that the public may want? Why does it need to be subsidized? Planning can help, but it shouldn't be so confining that it dictates the market results.

I find it naive to only experience a small portion of a whole system and come to broad conclusions. With the kind of help Montreal's Transportation Director, Mr Gautier probably gave, it is like being a Portland visitor being escorted by Sam and hearing just the positives, the ebullient comments about how wonderful we are and our transportation system, and how it serves so many people, and all the other chamber of commerce hype.

These conferences, tours, speaking engagements is a costly cottage industry at taxpayer's expense. Its like our bureaucrates and politicians go on shopping trips for new ideas but many times not learning about the whole picture on issues.


Please reconsider the MAX stops

I took the MAX everyday from 10th and Galleria to NE 7th Ave near the Lloyd. The downtown MAX line is horribly inefficient and needs to be fixed. There is no need for half of the stops downtown. When walking is just as quick as taking the MAX from one stop to the next, then the stop is redundant and should be removed.

Here are a list of the stops through Fareless Square and the ones with asterisks should be removed:

10th and Galleria *
Pioneer Square
Pioneer Place Mall 4th/5th *
Yamhill
1st and Oak *
Burnside (*run only on weekends)
Old Town
Rosequarter
Convention Center *
NE 7th Ave *
Lloyd Center

Removing these stops would make the MAX a more efficient system by decreasing travel times and increasing throughput. Everyone would benefit.

The only concern I would have about removing stops is that it would make the MAX less accessible to those with disabilities. If someone has a good solution to the accessibility aspect of removing MAX stops, I'd like to know.


Tom, you are looking in the

Tom, you are looking in the wrong direction for that morning coffee fix. Gaze not across the sea of asphalt, look immediately east of the northbound MAX stop and you will find Northstar Coffeehouse. Locally owned and owner operated and--if not quite two minutes--much quicker to get to than the Starbucks upstairs at Fred Meyer, particularly if your journey begins north of Lombard.


Tom Miller On March 19th,

Tom Miller On March 19th, Sam and I embarked on a 3-day trip to Montréal, invited to discuss Portland's efforts to become a sustainable city.
JK: Please explain/define "sustainable".

Thanks
JK


Look it up

JK,

There is this amazing thing on the internet call dictionary.com. You could also try wikipedia. Of course you could also go to the City of Portland's webpage where these is lots of information about sustainability efforts in the city. But you knew that, didn't you?

You're welcome.


I was wondering if Tom knew

I was wondering if Tom knew what it ment.

It appears that you don't or you would have provided a definition instead of a link.

Thanks
JK


here's my idea of sustainable

sustainable -

Living in my 500 square foot apartment for $840 a month, and $85 a month for parking, being harassed by foul-smelling vagrants everywhere I go and riding the MAX up the street so I can shop and bargain basement prices at Whole Foods. Isn't life wonderful?


Regarding Montreal's

Regarding Montreal's non-downtown transit stations, I noted in my original post that my observations are limited to what I experienced: downtown Montreal.

Good note about North Star coffee shop; I know it well. Indeed, it's the most convenient choice in the current configuration. And for conscientious Portlanders, it's the best available transaction because the ownership and much of its product line are local.

That said, North Star's location illustrates my point. It's near the station, but not incorporated into the station. In Downtown Montreal, retail, office workplace, and housing have been incorporated into the transit system. Said another way, the transit/land use connection is truly seamless. It really does make a difference.

What might this look like in Portland? Here's one idea: move the Lloyd Center/NE 11th Avenue MAX stop one block east to what is currently a surface parking lot adjacent to the movie theater. Replace the parking underground, building on top an appropriately scaled vibrant mixed use (retail, office, diverse housing choices, etc.) space. Make the transit stop and the mixed use space seamless.


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