Sam's power point regarding parking in Hawthorne Neighborhood.Here is Sam's presentation regarding parking issues in the Hawthorne district.
Posted Fri, 10/06/2006 - 4:24pm.
Outside ExpertsSubmitted by Bruce on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 3:27am.
Well, if they came from the Outside, and they're Experts...I guess there's no possibility they are advancing anybody's political agenda. Sam: can I hire my own outside experts to review Macadam? If these experts give it an "F", would you support a moratorium in SoWa? How about if the outside experts conclude that building a two lane replacement for the Sellwood Bridge would not meet the current demand at peak hours? Not to mention future traffic growth. Would you be willing to funnel some Federal choo-choo dollars into a 4 lane Sellwood Bridge replacement? Fair is fair, right? The Outside Experts tell me so. » reply
The Parking meter deceptionSubmitted by jim karlock on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 12:26am.
JK:To understand Sam’s push for parking meters we need to understand that most planners are on a jehad against cars. Their long range plan is to make driving so difficult and expensive that we will switch to wasteful transit. That is why they advocate certain things: 1) Reduce road capacity by not building new roads as our population increases. There is more to this plan, but I forgot the details. Bottom line: the real purpose of parking meters is to force people to get out of their cars and to waste time on transit. Unfortunately, it will be the poor who are hurt most, but Portland’s planners have been screwing the poor for years. The sickness of this whole plan becomes obvious when you realize that buses use more energy than cars, pollute more and cost more. The planers are still using 1970's data when buses saved energy, but since then buses gradually got worse and cars got dramatically better. Planners are too stupid to get modern data because it would interfere with their religion. The other part of their dogma, light rail costs too much and does too little. Thanks » reply
One more thing: Sam’sSubmitted by jim karlock on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 10:41am.
One more thing: Sam’s powerpoint claims he doesn’t want us to become like California. Then why does Sam favor: Higher density. LA is the densest urban area in the country. As we become more dense, we become more like LA. Reducing road capacity. LA has very few lane miles per capita. Portland has reduced the capacity of several roads by boulevarding, converting lanes to bike lanes and forcing buses to stop in the middle of the travel lane. The Portland region has dramatically increased in population with little added freeway capacity. We did add a toy train that carries (per Trimet claim) about the same number of people a one lane of freeway. And it cost several times the construction cost of a lane of freeway. Its real effect is much less than one lane of freeway when you consider that most MAX riders would be on buses if Trimet had not built the toy train and shut down the corresponding bus service. Thanks » reply
Shut down Tri-Met!!!Submitted by Greg Tompkins on Mon, 01/01/2007 - 11:47pm.
Let's do an experiment and completely shut down Tri-Met and the Streetcar for a week and see what kind of impact it REALLY has on the area congestion? I bet it would be negligible! » reply
Let's leave people with outSubmitted by Jeff on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 6:31pm.
Let's leave people with out the money to afford cars out in the cold too! » reply
I know lots of people who scam rides off other peopleSubmitted by Greg Tompkins on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 9:00pm.
Why can't these poor people who "can't afford cars" as you put it do the same? » reply
DuhSubmitted by Bruce on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 1:42am.
I agree with Jim. It's ridiculous to suggest you will "help business" by charging motorists to park in a neighborhood that currently offers free parking. The only businesses that will benefit are the competing shopping malls and "free parking" adjacent neighborhoods. It's almost as if the mall based retailers were the invisible hand at City Hall. MEMO TO SAM: let's jackhammer holes into half of the streets downtown and see if we can encourage more people to shop in the suburbs! P.S. Eliminating free parking in active neighborhoods will be good for business... Love, Your friends at Washington Square, Lloyd Center, CTC, Bridgeport Mall, and Lake Oswego. Wooo-hooo! » reply
Really BadSubmitted by mmmarvel on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 9:09am.
Oh Sam, this was a really, really bad presentation (IMHO) not only is it full of mis-information and spin (spins like a top) - but the worse part is that (last I heard) a VAST majority of businesses in the area have signed a petition asking that there be no meters. Of course it will be another example of 'how much wiser the folks in city hall are' - no need to listen to the people who live and work there, nope, government knows best and will shove it down their throats kicking, screaming and gagging all the way. Please quit doing a Don Quixote and creating menances so that you can slay them. Please just repair my streets, reduce congestion (not with more toy trains and streetcars), lock up criminals and keep them there, help the elderly and infirmed. It would be truly a blessing if city government just focused on that and did a REALLY good job of that. I know I'm just spitting in the wind, but to me, THAT is what government is really all about. » reply
May the Force not be on HawthorneSubmitted by Terry Parker on Sat, 10/07/2006 - 5:51pm.
If parking meters are forced into onto Hawthorne, I for one will take the business I do there elsewhere. Furthermore, if pay to park on Hawthorne does occur, those same charges MUST also apply to all the bike racks, the bicycle oasis and any place a bicyclist parks a bicycle on public property along Hawthorne. » reply
Motorists already pay-Bicyclists do not!Submitted by Terry Parker on Sun, 10/08/2006 - 4:58pm.
“How could equal charges for bikes and autos be justified, when a single auto space can provide space for ten bicycles?” Motorists already pay a fair share for roads through gas taxes, license and registration fees. Bicycle infrastructure is 100% subsidized even though the claim is many user bicyclists own cars and therefore pay their fair share too. One verification of that; who paid for the bicycle oasis? Not the bicyclists who use them. » reply
My god that was a long PPSubmitted by john on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 12:02am.
My god that was a long PP presentation. Slides with just "yes" on them? PP disease gone rampant!! My worry here is that one book has changed Sam's mind without any consideration of alternatives. Another fad? » reply
what about residents?Submitted by David on Mon, 10/09/2006 - 2:49pm.
This PowerPoint presentation seems to focus entirely on the inconvenience that businesses will suffer, and not enough on the inconvenience that residents will suffer. Many houses in the Hawthorne area lack a driveway, and will no doubt pay a heavy toll once people figure out that they can park a block off Hawthorne and not pay for the parking meter. Will these residents have to buy parking permits so that they can pay for the luxury of parking in front of their own homes? Will people with communal parking lots (apartment renters, condos) be exempted? What about out of town visitors who come to stay for the weekend--will they be ticketed for parking longer than 2 hours? Will I have to buy visitor permits? Will I have to tell my friends that they need to drop whatever they are doing and move their car every couple hours? What about my older parents who come over to babysit while my wife and I are out? Etc., etc., etc. The list goes on, yet none of these are answered by the presentation. Residents will pay a heavy cost in one way or another--either indirectly, through more people parking off of Hawthorne/Belmont, or directly, through parking permits. » reply
David, I anticipate that theSubmitted by SOL on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 5:46pm.
David, I anticipate that the City politicians will pay as much attention to your situation as they did to the property owners near SOWA whose views of Mt Hood have been replaced with skyscrapers and the TRAM going through their back yards. Prepared to be screwed in the name of progress and empire building. » reply
parking along hawthorneSubmitted by tamara marshall on Sun, 10/15/2006 - 11:08pm.
I agree the tram is a joke and a waste of money. For months PGE put up these horrible power poles reaching up to the sky at least 70' and now because of mis-calculation on the part of the city tram planners the poles are being taken down. The cost is in the millions to put these poles up and now only a month later they are coming down. Who is paying for this? » reply
I took a walk along SESubmitted by Steve on Tue, 10/10/2006 - 8:11pm.
I took a walk along SE Hawthorne. I saw a lot of "NO Parking meters" signs. I did not see one "YES" sign. Sam, if you want to install meters by fiat, just do it. At least be honest and give us the real reason behind it. Don't think people believe you when you say you are the vox populi. We really don't need another Vera. » reply
Parking Permits EliminationSubmitted by Greg Tompkins on Mon, 01/01/2007 - 11:43pm.
I understand the City is planning to completely phase out their parking permit program. They have already done away with it in the Lloyd District where I live effective the New Year (Happy New Year) so they could pay for the proposed streetcar that is going down 7th. It's not enough that they already have a MAX train going by, now they need a streetcar and to hell with you should you happen to own a vehicle! I am just going to have to park my car on the north side of Broadway/Weidler and hope that nobody has it towed. BTW, what are the rules to have a car parked for several days on end without it being moved? Is it illegal? I am fed up and giving serious thought to moving back to Beaverton. » reply
Parking Rules FAQSubmitted by Bob R. on Tue, 01/02/2007 - 11:34am.
BTW, what are the rules to have a car parked for several days on end without it being moved? Is it illegal? Yes. But the city will generally only call for a tow if the vehicle has something wrong with it or has expired tags and someone has filed a complaint. See: http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=34799 » reply
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Great!
I live off of Hawthorne and really appreciate this effort. For example, street trash and a lack of garbage cans are a problem. I can see that the revenue generated by this could help solve the problem. Business owners on Hawthorne need to recognize that if they don't help to improve the conditions their success has caused that they will lose neighborhood support. The "no meters" on Hawthorne folks are short sighted unless they have a plan (and the money) to deal with the issues that they are creating.