Submitted by jim karlock on Sun, 01/13/2008 - 7:27pm.
Bob R. JK says: The average Trimut bus carries 9 people.
Care to assign a time or mile figure to that? JK:: Whole system, whole year average FROM TRIMET:
Total 2006 Bus Vehicle-miles: .........26,336,856
Total 2006 Bus Passenger-miles: ...236,736,000
Do the math: 236,736,000 / 26,336,856 = 8.99 passengers per vehicle
From: busmaxstat.pdf – DebunkingPortland.com/Transit/Docs/busmaxstat.pdf
Bob R. You've chosen to interpret Terry's numbers in the most pessimistic way possible. That's fine, but that's just your opinion. JK:: I just took the statement at face value, since its meaning is clear (not to say that was the intended meaning, just that a clear meaning does exist.). That you have trouble with it is probably due to you dislike of hearing the truth about how bad transit is.
Bob R. If we are to interpret the numbers your way, that would suggest a single bus driving (for example) up Grand ave. from Burnside to Multnomah does as much damage in that single short trip as 22,000 cars passing down that same lane all day. JK:: That is pretty much what how that statement reads. That is also consistent with things that I have heard from road experts - cars do very little damage to modern roads.
Bob R. If you want people to believe that, you'd better come up with some really solid numbers for such an initially outlandish claim. JK:: I’ll let you. But it does ring true. There is a reason that they are replacing the asphalt paving with concrete at many bus stops and it isn’t because cars are stopping there.
Bob R. JK says: The average
Bob R. JK says: The average Trimut bus carries 9 people.
Care to assign a time or mile figure to that?
JK:: Whole system, whole year average FROM TRIMET:
Total 2006 Bus Vehicle-miles: .........26,336,856
Total 2006 Bus Passenger-miles: ...236,736,000
Do the math: 236,736,000 / 26,336,856 = 8.99 passengers per vehicle
From: busmaxstat.pdf – DebunkingPortland.com/Transit/Docs/busmaxstat.pdf
Bob R. You've chosen to interpret Terry's numbers in the most pessimistic way possible. That's fine, but that's just your opinion.
JK:: I just took the statement at face value, since its meaning is clear (not to say that was the intended meaning, just that a clear meaning does exist.). That you have trouble with it is probably due to you dislike of hearing the truth about how bad transit is.
Bob R. If we are to interpret the numbers your way, that would suggest a single bus driving (for example) up Grand ave. from Burnside to Multnomah does as much damage in that single short trip as 22,000 cars passing down that same lane all day.
JK:: That is pretty much what how that statement reads. That is also consistent with things that I have heard from road experts - cars do very little damage to modern roads.
Bob R. If you want people to believe that, you'd better come up with some really solid numbers for such an initially outlandish claim.
JK:: I’ll let you. But it does ring true. There is a reason that they are replacing the asphalt paving with concrete at many bus stops and it isn’t because cars are stopping there.
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Thanks
JK