I never cease to be amazed at how people can tear down an idea (like the streetcar), without offering ANY positive input whatsoever!

When you play the stupid little game of pretending to be shocked that money/politics are tangled and post your little screed, you add NOTHING to the conversation..."my phony facts/figures are better than yours".

I would venture to say that the majority of people criticizing public transit, never lived in a place (the majority of the US) that has NO public ransit system. One of the main reasons I moved here from FL is because of public transit. It is one of these things that will propel Portland into the future.

Paving every suface and filling in with strip malls, helps nobody. Which is worse, a 60 minute trimet ride, or a 60 minute wait in traffic?

Of course, no opponet of mass transit, supporter of more cars and roads, will ever talk about the "real" costs of automobiles...very compartmentalized thinkin.