Sorry if the word sophistication is a put off.

I'm not talking about stubborn elitism as you suggest... simply a kind of reflexive sophistication that wasn't present in the projects like the ill fated Chinatown Dragons. Sophisticated people fled that project early on and we need to make certain that sort of thing doesnt continue to happen.

Insisting on seriousness isn't a good reason to create a straw man argument. Mediocrity doesnt need defending and it never serves the majority in the way it advertises... (See Chinatown dragons).

Sorry to present a prickly issue but it needed to be done... just sticking to feel good discussion points isn't balanced.